What do you mean Lucifer the Fallen Angel isn’t in Christianity??
He definitely is?
Unless the priests have been lying to me about their faith lmao
More like they’re mostly illiterate. The anon is right, Isaiah 14 is mainly talking about a Babylonian King who more or less acted in a way to piss off Isaiah.
The idea of Ha-Satan or Lucifer falling comes from Paradise Lost, which is biblical fan fiction.
For some reason priests and other people have run with that idea and act like its canon. Lots of Christians claim Lucifer is Satan. But the truth is he isnt. And it makes more sense when you read the whole chapter in full.
Course arguing with Christians over this makes me want to make a drinking game.
“The idea of Ha-Satan or Lucifer falling comes from Paradise Lost, which is biblical fan fiction.“
You may actually want to read the bible before you go calling people “mostly illiterate”. While it is true that Lucifer is a title given to multiple figures throughout Church history (Satan, Nebuchadnezzar II, John the Baptist, Moses, Mary, Jesus), the Bible deals with the fall of Satan in multiple verses throughout, so the fall of Satan and his angels is hardly biblical fanfiction.
Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the
dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, but he was defeated,
and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. And the great
dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil
and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the
earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. Revelation 12:7-9
And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 2 Corinthians 11:14
You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you:
carnelian, chrysolite and emerald, topaz, onyx and jasper, lapis lazuli,
turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mountings were made of gold; on
the day you were created they were prepared. You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were
on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones. You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you. Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you
sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled
you, guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones. Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted
your wisdom because of your splendor. So I threw you to the earth; I
made a spectacle of you before kings. Ezekiel 28:13-17
And he said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. Luke 10:18
And yeah, Lucifer as a proper name for the Devil came later in the history of Christianity. However, Isaiah uses the same imagery of the fallen angel that all of these other verses use, so it’s not a large leap to make to equate the figures within these verses with one another.
Of course, watching people who have never actually read the bible call priests “mostly illiterate” makes me want to start a drinking game.
But what does the original text actually say? You know the Hebrew, Aramaic and Loins versions say.
See I have read the Bible. In fact unlike you and other Christians i dont pick and choose verses to support my own interpretation. I read the chapters in full and gather from what the main idea is.
The truth is that Satan never fell and isnt Gods enemy. The truth is that Satan does Gods bidding and always will. He is Gods tempter. He is still Gods right hand angel, whose sole duty is to make sure that humans are worthy of being with him. If Satan completed this task, he’d die. That’s the fate of all angels who fulfill their task: they cease to exist.
“The truth is that Satan never fell and isnt Gods enemy.” The burden of proof is on you to provide references to back up that claim.
“The truth is that Satan does Gods bidding and always will.” The burden of proof is on you to provide references to back up that claim.
“He is still Gods right hand angel […]” The burden of proof is on you to provide references to back up that claim.
“If Satan completed this task, he’d die. That’s the fate of all angels who fulfill their task: they cease to exist.” The burden of proof is on you to provide references to back up that claim.
The only place that I know of where it can be interpreted as Satan actually working for God is in the book of Job, however it is not stated anywhere that that is the case, simply that God permitted Satan to torment His servant. Anything else is speculation.
Not all heroes are remembered, but all villains are immortal.
Look at Lucifer, he’s the brightest star in the morning, and the constant star of the night.
Name another love that gave eternity in the night sky.
A love note from Frey:
No matter how close to the edge you get, you can’t deny that there’s a spark inside. A devotional hazard of so many Light affiliated People leaving hope, love, and stars in Their wake. Embrace that little spark instead of testing it.
Things have been a bit shifty lately. I was told to introduce myself to the Netjeru, and I even have a few new tags / category between here and tumblr.
I’m allowed to leave things as they are on case the Netjeru come back, but they’ve currently left while I “balance my life”. An arrangement might’ve fallen through, or I’m just not ready, or something.
Why, then, did God give them free will?
Because free will, though it makes evil possible, is the only thing that makes possible any love or goodness or joy worth having.
His shrine has gone through a bit of an update, particularly after being asked to disassemble for part of the summer. I’m still muddling through the mobile app, so I’m going to bypass on trying to link to the last incarnation.
The water bottle and most of the shells are from a friend’s trip to the Atlantic Ocean. The glass jar has some change, Frey’s prayer beads, and an acorn on top. The blue cup can hold offerings, and the sea side painting was done by me at some point in middle school.
It’s unofficially become a place for the Vanir as a whole, though I really only interact with a few by name (Frey, Freya, Sunna, Nott).
Initially I improvised a space for the Jotnar on Fire Howling.
Then I switched things up and wound up with something for my Jotnar dead. I usually just refer to them as Jotnar, but it’s a squishy line between Jotnar, Ancient ancestors, and other things related to manifesting in Midgard.
A stuffed cow that I saved from childhood (imaginatively named Cow). Elemental and Midgard associations. The radio pendant to help keep me here in Midgard. A sand art dinosaur made in my youth.
Possible names include: Corn, Harvest, and Barley Moon. Mani indicated that He would like me to use “Harvest”, though I make no guarantee He’d want someone else to do the same. The following is a piece of sacred fiction.
. . .
The stalks of corn reflect the moonlight back a little too well. That must be why your mind shivers an image of bones over the top of them. The small gourds on the vines seem to roll like knuckles, and you step off the edge of the garden instinctively. The flash of silver in the corner of your eye was just moonlight, right?
The pens of history have never heard of what happens in the moonlight, but when my peers were given blood and flesh, do you think I said no?
The shrine for m’Lady, Sigyn, has been simplified since it was last pictured here.
A wooden bowl (different from last time) with braided yarn that used to represent water and air in an old elemental shrine. The glass with lady bugs and hearts, which holds a small heart. A notecard with one of the first prayers I used from “Staying Power” (I believe). The leaf is indeed heart shaped.
Sliding from one side of the line to the other
boy? girl? neither? both?
slippery as scales, shifting in the light
pink to purple to blue
Snake-boy in make-up and heels
Snake-girl packing and binding
Snake-nb blending lines